cell test

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Oh, my God. Williamson, get in here.

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What the hell happened here?

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An accident.

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Here... gotta get him to the infirmary. Come on.

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Get out.

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I thought you said you were gonna have a conversation with him.

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Yeah, I did.

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Things, uh, escalated.

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Bring him on into Three. Cathy, I'm gonna need 10cc's of Xylocaine.

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Thanks, guys. I'll take it from here.

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I said thank you, I'll take it from here.

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Let's go.

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Okay... let's take a look at you.

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You're okay... You're okay...

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What happened?

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Uh, nothing.

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This isn't nothing, Michael. I need you to tell me what happened.

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Don't make me lie to you.

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Please.

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I think you better have I.A. start an investigation.

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Oh, there's no need. We know what happened.

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Uh, perhaps you'd be good enough to enlighten me?

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There was a pair of gardening shears left on the floor of the shed.

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Evidently, he stepped on them.

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Blade went right through his boot, huh?

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Yep.

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So, uh, why wasn't the boot still on his foot?

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Like I said, Doc...

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we got it taken care of.

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Let's go.

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I'm going to kill that scum.

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You won't. You kill him, you kill our express ticket out of here.

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Look what he did to you--

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you're not going to last a second in this place unless I do something about it.

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You ever hear of Top Flight Charters?

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Yeah.

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They operate flights from small airfields across the Midwest,

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like the one ten miles from here.

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They're run by a shell corporation Abruzzi owns.

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We get him on board,

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there's gonna be a midnight flight waiting for us the night we get outside those walls.

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You're willing to risk the entire escape on a guy you don't even know?

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Preparation can only take you so far.

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After that, you gotta take a few leaps of faith.

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Abruzzi's a huge leap of faith, Michael.

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I'm not talking about Abruzzi.

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There's someone else who holds the key to this entire thing.

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With him, it either works or it doesn't.

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Problem is, I couldn't know who that was until I got in here.

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Sucre? You can't be serious.

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The guy's a thief, Michael; he can't be trusted.

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Gonna have to trust him,

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because he's my cell mate.

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How well do you know him?

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About as well as a man can in a week.

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You tell him, he tells everyone, we're done.

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You know that, right?

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We don't get him on board, there's not going to be any digging in that cell,

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and if there's no digging in that cell...

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then there's no escape.

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Thank you for calling, please leave a message after the tone.

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Maricruz? It's me, baby. You there?

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Pick up if you're there, mami.

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I been in the SHU.

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I been thinking about you.

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About your body...

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God, I've been thinking about your body...

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Hello?

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Uh, Mrs. Delgado....

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Hi. How you doing? It's me, Fernando.

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Um, sorry to bother you at home, but, uh,

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you know what's up with Maricruz's cell phone?

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It just keeps going straight to voice mail.

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Maybe she has it turned off.

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Any chance you know where she is?

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I know exactly where she is.

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And that would be?

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- With Hector.

- Hector?

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That's right.

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They're at the mall, I think.

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I don't suppose, next time you see her,

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you could have her turn her phone back on?

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Mrs. Delgado, I know you don't like me,

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but I love your daughter and she loves me.

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We're going to get married, you know?

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If you were a decent man and you really loved her,

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you'd let her live her life.

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What's that supposed to mean?

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I'll tell her you called.

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I'm looking to do some damage.

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Well, you come to the right place.

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I want to do it slow.

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Inflict the maximum amount of pain,

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so a guy wishes he'd just die, you know, and get it over with,

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but just can't quite get there.

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Oh, I got that.

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I got that.

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Look at this right here, boss.

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I call it "the gutter."

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Jam it up there in the stomach,

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and  these bits right here hook the intestines.

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You give it a pull back,

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poor sucker's guts are hanging right out of his stomach,

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and he'll get a real good look at 'em, 'cause the wound's not fatal.

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Well, least not until the infection sets in.

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You're one sick puppy, you know that?

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Thank you.

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What happened?

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I'm  okay.

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They've gotten to you, haven't they?

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The other prisoners.

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My God, Michael, this place is going to kill you.

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You said you talked to a woman. What was her name?

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- Leticia.

- Leticia Barris.

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How'd you know?

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A year ago, I was doing exactly what you're doing.

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Trying to find out the truth.

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It's a bottomless pit, Veronica.

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They designed it that way,

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so that, by the time you got to the bottom of it, Lincoln would be dead.

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Why didn't you tell me you were doing this?

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Once the day was set,

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once that final appeal had been rejected,

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he had 60 days to live.

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Figured I could play their game and watch him die in the process,

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or I could take matters into my own hands.

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You don't have to do that.

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Leticia knows something.

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If I can get it out of her, maybe we can re-open Lincoln's case.

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What'd she tell you?

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She said that somebody else was behind the killing of the Vice President's brother.

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Who?

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She got spooked, she took off before I could get anything out of her.

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She's holed up in the Elysian Fields Projects.

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I'm going to go see her this afternoon.

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Place is dangerous. You should take someone with you.

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Who?

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Fiancé would be a good place to start.

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I think that's probably the last thing in the world Sebastian'd ever want to do.

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- It's good to see you.

- You, too.

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No priors, a good student.

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Then you get yourself arrested for intent to sell.

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Good life get a little boring?

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It was stupid.

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It won't happen again.

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Well, we're all here to make sure of that.

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I took some time to speak to your mother before you came in.

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She told me that there were some...

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some extenuating circumstances in your life right now.

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Yeah, if you're talking about that guy at Fox River,

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he's got nothing to do with this.

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He refuses to call him his father.

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The world would be a better place without him.

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It's clear to me you've got a lot of anger, young man.

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Misdirected, it could land you in the wrong place.

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So, to make sure that doesn't happen,

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you're gonna have to check in with me once a week.

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Fridays, one hour.

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Your attendance at school and your grades need to be pristine.

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Absolutely.

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And to give you a real good idea

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where  that anger of yours will get you if you don't rein it in,

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I'm signing you up for the Scared Straight program at Fox River.

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You'll have a mentor, who you'll work with weekly,

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to give you a little perspective.

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A mentor?

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Your father.

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Tell me that ain't what I think it is.

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It ain't what you think it is.

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Fish. A cell phone in here?

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That's cardinal sin number one.

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They can tack two years onto your bid, automatic.

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If they catch you.

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Man, you know what kind of trouble I can get, for just knowing what I know?

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Shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh.

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Now, that means you can make calls whenever you want, right?

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I don't like the look in your eye.

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What's in there-- you never saw it. Got it?

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Why didn't you include any names?

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Why would I want anyone to watch me die?

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I've seen it happen a number of ways.

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Some people want to go it alone,

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others have grandiose statements they want to make.

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But most want some member of their family there,

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before they leave this world.

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I'll do it alone.

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Son, in my opinion,

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all inmates who have made that choice

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have deeply regretted it in their final minutes.

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I'll, uh...

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...leave it blank for now.

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You have less than four weeks now.

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You should give it some thought.

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Hi. I'm-I'm looking for Leticia Barris.

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Five.

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Thank you.

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Hello!

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Don't you move a muscle.

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Take it easy, Leticia.

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You're working with them, aren't you?

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- With who?

- Think I'm stupid, lady?

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I hear the clicks on my phone, I see the cars out there on the street.

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I know you're scared. I am, too.

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But, please, put the gun down.

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Where you going?

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Ireland. What difference does it make?

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It makes all the difference. Nobody's ever gotten your testimony.

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That's exactly the reason I'm still breathing.

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I'm not with them, Leticia. You have to believe me.

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Oh, yeah? Then what you sneaking in here for?

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I thought maybe they'd gotten to you.

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Oh, yeah?

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And why do you care so much about my well-being, all of a sudden?

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I don't.

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Finally, an honest answer.

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But maybe you can save Lincoln.

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And maybe you can bring down the guys who killed your boyfriend in the process.

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If somebody killed you,

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and Crab could have done something to the guys who did it--

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you think he would have?

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I'm not as strong as he was.

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I can't take those people on.

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I'll take 'em on.

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All you have to do is come to my office and tell me what you know.

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I'll type it up, you can sign the affidavit, and split.

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I'll take you to the airport myself.

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Bellick.

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Hey, what's up, Lincoln?

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I want some extra time outside for the next couple weeks.

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Paint fumes in P.I. must be getting to you.

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Cell phones allowed in here?

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Who?

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Extra time outside.

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A couple cigarettes.

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Half hour. One week. One cigarette.

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Know a con named Sucre?

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This is what I don't understand, John:

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Otto  Fibonacci fingers you.

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He put you in prison for life.

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Yet, you act like you don't even want to find out where he is.

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That's not true, Philly.

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Maybe it's 'cause you don't think you have anything to lose anymore, you know?

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You're already locked up.

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You... you know, maybe you, um... maybe you like it here.

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I mean, I don't know.

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But, what I do know is that, if Fibonacci testifies next month,

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you and I are gonna be neighbors.

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And I am not going to let that happen.

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I don't think you would fit in here, Philly.

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Fancy suits, ties, shirts.

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I think you're right, so, uh...

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so, let's cut to the chase.

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Did you break this kid?

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Did he tell you where Fibonacci is?

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What is this?

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It's a little gift from me to you.

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Are these his?

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Yeah, he won't crack.

259

00:17:30,614 --> 00:17:34,432

Well, perhaps, you should consider using a different methodology then, John.

260

00:17:35,601 --> 00:17:38,846

From what I gather, there are far worse threats in prison

261

00:17:39,140 --> 00:17:40,948

other than bodily harm.

262

00:17:41,027 --> 00:17:44,368

What happened to the days when you used to trust me, Philly,

263

00:17:44,460 --> 00:17:46,172

that I would get things done?

264

00:17:46,641 --> 00:17:49,704

Those were the days when you actually did get things done, John.

265

00:17:56,823 --> 00:18:00,199

Daddy! Daddy! Did you hear the news?

266

00:18:00,946 --> 00:18:03,713

What? What-What news?

267

00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,813

We're going to stay with Uncle Philly at the lake for a few weeks.

268

00:18:06,952 --> 00:18:08,616

Yeah. We're gonna have a good time!

269

00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:13,064

You're right, John. Maybe you're right.

270

00:18:13,264 --> 00:18:14,961

I do trust you.

271

00:18:15,476 --> 00:18:18,100

Now, you're gonna take care of that thing, aren't you?

272

00:18:26,532 --> 00:18:30,016

How are those boneyard visits going with that girlfriend of yours?

273

00:18:32,580 --> 00:18:34,017

I imagine pretty good, huh?

274

00:18:39,203 --> 00:18:44,318

You know, visitation rules stipulate that conjugals are only for married couples.

275

00:18:44,356 --> 00:18:45,542

But  we're engaged.

276

00:18:45,716 --> 00:18:47,397

Besides, I got that coming to me

277

00:18:47,483 --> 00:18:50,010

'cause I ain't caused no static in this place.

278

00:18:50,437 --> 00:18:54,441

Please don't dead my conjugals.

279

00:18:55,001 --> 00:18:55,853

I won't.

280

00:18:57,456 --> 00:18:58,392

Thank you.

281

00:18:59,188 --> 00:19:00,230

But, in exchange,

282

00:19:01,779 --> 00:19:03,825

you have to tell me where that cell phone is.

283

00:19:05,464 --> 00:19:06,556

Cell phone?

284

00:19:06,883 --> 00:19:08,689

Don't play stupid with me.

285

00:19:08,785 --> 00:19:11,213

I'm giving you a chance to save your precious conjugals.

286

00:19:11,352 --> 00:19:12,539

You lie to me,

287

00:19:13,522 --> 00:19:15,475

they're gone, and they're never coming back.

288

00:19:18,195 --> 00:19:19,975

Now, where's that cell phone?

289

00:19:49,323 --> 00:19:50,272

Turner?

290

00:19:50,595 --> 00:19:53,409

Your transfer came in. They want you in administration.

291

00:20:07,982 --> 00:20:09,025

He didn't talk.

292

00:20:18,613 --> 00:20:21,398

All I got to say is I better get to make all the calls I want.

293

00:20:25,521 --> 00:20:27,282

Gonna be kind of hard.

294

00:20:31,994 --> 00:20:33,228

Soap?

295

00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,633

I lost my congugals over soap?!

296

00:20:37,193 --> 00:20:39,786

You may have lost your conjugals, but I can do you one better.

297

00:20:40,124 --> 00:20:41,947

I can get you to her.

298

00:20:42,071 --> 00:20:43,038

To Maricruz.

299

00:20:43,112 --> 00:20:44,793

- You can get me to Maricruz?

- That's right.

300

00:20:44,869 --> 00:20:46,823

Yeah? And how you gonna do that?

301

00:20:48,180 --> 00:20:49,892

We're breaking out of here.

302

00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:52,054

How?

303

00:20:52,943 --> 00:20:55,661

- It starts in our cell.

- In our cell?

304

00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,813

To tell you the truth, it's already started.

305

00:21:01,871 --> 00:21:02,575

Ah.

306

00:21:02,968 --> 00:21:04,058

Are you crazy?!

307

00:21:04,399 --> 00:21:05,870

You think I want to break out of here?

308

00:21:05,952 --> 00:21:07,880

16 months from now, I'm out the gate.

309

00:21:07,961 --> 00:21:08,967

I'm getting married, papi,

310

00:21:09,037 --> 00:21:11,182

and I'm sure as hell not doing it with no posse on my ass.

311

00:21:11,295 --> 00:21:13,681

Man, I ought to beat you six ways till Sunday!

312

00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,349

I lost my conjugals, pendejo.

313

00:21:15,394 --> 00:21:16,820

and all because of your little bar of soap.

314

00:21:16,933 --> 00:21:19,297

I had to test you; see if you could keep a secret.

315

00:21:19,411 --> 00:21:20,432

You want a secret?

316

00:21:20,489 --> 00:21:22,240

I got a secret for you, Fish.

317

00:21:22,332 --> 00:21:24,098

You dig in my cell while I'm there,

318

00:21:24,187 --> 00:21:26,483

and I'm gonna split your wig.

319

00:21:35,471 --> 00:21:36,455

That went well.

320

00:21:42,113 --> 00:21:44,405

Why don't we start with Lincoln's relationship with your boyfriend.

321

00:21:44,483 --> 00:21:45,135

Real simple.

322

00:21:45,228 --> 00:21:47,777

He owed my man $90,000, and he wasn't getting it done.

323

00:21:47,847 --> 00:21:49,705

Then, all of a sudden, it gets done.

324

00:21:49,851 --> 00:21:52,322

Crab walks in with 90K and a big-ass smile on his face.

325

00:21:52,414 --> 00:21:53,218

Who  paid him?

326

00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,284

Not Lincoln-- they paid his marker.

327

00:21:55,402 --> 00:21:56,464

Who's "they"?

328

00:21:58,485 --> 00:21:59,505

It's all right, Leticia.

329

00:21:59,594 --> 00:22:01,020

I told you, you're safe here.

330

00:22:04,018 --> 00:22:06,305

Crab brought this guy home. Never seen him before.

331

00:22:07,476 --> 00:22:09,822

Crab did what he always did when he was doing big business:

332

00:22:09,904 --> 00:22:12,719

he told me to take a walk, so that's exactly what I did.

333

00:22:12,810 --> 00:22:14,140

There was something about this guy, though--

334

00:22:14,234 --> 00:22:16,872

he wasn't the kind of guy Crab usually dealt with.

335

00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:17,943

What do you mean?

336

00:22:18,062 --> 00:22:20,659

Couldn't put my finger on it till he went outside.

337

00:22:20,752 --> 00:22:23,039

Then I knew. He had that look.

338

00:22:23,114 --> 00:22:24,035

What look?

339

00:22:24,113 --> 00:22:26,271

You know, that they own the place.

340

00:22:26,344 --> 00:22:28,111

That they're untouchable.

341

00:22:28,292 --> 00:22:30,293

Like they're government.

342

00:22:30,384 --> 00:22:33,055

So the government paid Lincoln's debt?

343

00:22:34,007 --> 00:22:36,182

Did Crab say what they wanted in return?

344

00:22:37,235 --> 00:22:38,597

Uh-uh.

345

00:22:38,749 --> 00:22:39,783

All right.

346

00:22:39,895 --> 00:22:42,133

Uh, just give me a moment to type this up.

347

00:22:43,373 --> 00:22:44,467

Where are you going?

348

00:22:44,535 --> 00:22:45,904

I'm gonna have a smoke.

349

00:22:45,975 --> 00:22:47,161

Look, this is only gonna take me a minute.

350

00:22:47,234 --> 00:22:49,040

So will the smoke.

351

00:22:53,109 --> 00:22:55,820

No redness or swelling, so it's no sign of infection.

352

00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:58,547

I'm gonna keep you on antibiotics for the next ten days.

353

00:22:58,952 --> 00:23:00,427

You should be good.

354

00:23:02,750 --> 00:23:04,424

Michael, you understand, by law,

355

00:23:04,504 --> 00:23:07,973

I'm obligated to file a report if I feel there's been prisoner misconduct.

356

00:23:08,618 --> 00:23:13,012

There's no way this injury happened by stepping on a blade in a garden shed.

357

00:23:13,105 --> 00:23:15,871

If you file a report, things could get a lot worse for me.

358

00:23:15,988 --> 00:23:17,496

They're not already?

359

00:23:17,579 --> 00:23:19,446

Not compared to what they could be.

360

00:23:20,796 --> 00:23:22,840

I've made some enemies.

361

00:23:22,961 --> 00:23:23,908

Yeah.

362

00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:26,621

Scared?

363

00:23:28,354 --> 00:23:30,881

Men... Okay.

364

00:23:31,677 --> 00:23:34,015

Um... here's what I think. I think you are scared.

365

00:23:34,808 --> 00:23:37,861

And you wouldn't be human if you weren't scared in a place like this.

366

00:23:39,925 --> 00:23:42,405

When I was young, I couldn't sleep at night,

367

00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,446

'cause I thought there was a monster in the closet.

368

00:23:45,773 --> 00:23:50,442

But my brother told me there wasn't anything in the closet but fear.

369

00:23:50,527 --> 00:23:52,060

That fear wasn't real.

370

00:23:53,313 --> 00:23:57,584

He said it wasn't made of anything. It was just air.

371

00:23:57,834 --> 00:23:58,887

Not even that.

372

00:24:00,255 --> 00:24:02,071

He said you just have to face it.

373

00:24:02,193 --> 00:24:03,448

You just have to open that door,

374

00:24:03,586 --> 00:24:05,636

and the monster would disappear.

375

00:24:06,196 --> 00:24:08,299

Your brother sounds like a smart man.

376

00:24:08,384 --> 00:24:09,714

He is.

377

00:24:10,415 --> 00:24:12,301

In here, though,

378

00:24:12,373 --> 00:24:13,832

you face your fear,

379

00:24:13,915 --> 00:24:15,973

you open that door...

380

00:24:16,177 --> 00:24:18,081

and there's a hundred more doors behind it.

381

00:24:19,673 --> 00:24:22,065

And the monsters that are hiding behind them...

382

00:24:23,339 --> 00:24:24,665

are all real.

383

00:24:25,305 --> 00:24:27,814

If you want, I could recommend you be sent to Ad-Seg.

384

00:24:28,343 --> 00:24:31,716

With the rape victims and the snitches.

385

00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,666

It would keep you safe.

386

00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:35,375

Thanks...

387

00:24:35,878 --> 00:24:38,558

but I think I'd like to face the monsters on my own.

388

00:24:43,141 --> 00:24:44,901

Have a good smoke?

389

00:24:45,369 --> 00:24:46,526

I don't smoke.

390

00:24:51,005 --> 00:24:52,972

Didn't mean to startle you.

391

00:24:53,797 --> 00:24:56,337

Special Agent Kellerman, Secret Service.

392

00:24:57,213 --> 00:24:59,309

We've been informed that you

393

00:24:59,403 --> 00:25:01,742

obtained a copy of the surveillance tape

394

00:25:01,831 --> 00:25:04,523

entered as evidence in the Lincoln Burrows trial.

395

00:25:04,601 --> 00:25:06,422

Is there a problem with that?

396

00:25:06,574 --> 00:25:07,778

We're just following up.

397

00:25:07,901 --> 00:25:10,254

Has there been some amendment to the Freedom of Information Act

398

00:25:10,347 --> 00:25:12,559

that I'm not aware of?

399

00:25:13,662 --> 00:25:15,520

You know, when a prisoner gets

400

00:25:15,576 --> 00:25:17,852

close to the end of his time on Death Row,

401

00:25:17,992 --> 00:25:19,322

there's a lot of last-minute sec...

402

00:25:19,415 --> 00:25:20,712

I'm sorry, I still don't understand

403

00:25:20,795 --> 00:25:22,886

why this would be a problem for the Secret Service.

404

00:25:22,982 --> 00:25:23,946

It's not.

405

00:25:24,028 --> 00:25:27,229

The prosecution made its case far beyond any reasonable doubt,

406

00:25:27,495 --> 00:25:30,850

and we know that we have the right man.

407

00:25:30,975 --> 00:25:32,120

That being said,

408

00:25:32,451 --> 00:25:36,476

if you come across anything that could shed some light on his innocence,

409

00:25:37,574 --> 00:25:38,824

I'm offering my help.

410

00:25:39,141 --> 00:25:40,533

Sounds great.

411

00:25:40,747 --> 00:25:42,993

I really appreciate you coming by.

412

00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:48,727

Do you have a card, Agent Kellerman?

413

00:25:48,743 --> 00:25:49,576

Of course.

414

00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:52,493

Don't hesitate to call.

415

00:25:53,538 --> 00:25:54,328

Thanks.

416

00:26:04,824 --> 00:26:05,676

Leticia.

417

00:26:34,398 --> 00:26:36,863

- Sebastian, I'm so sorry, I...

- Where are you?

418

00:26:37,156 --> 00:26:39,109

I'm sor.. this isn't the time, I'm sorry.

419

00:26:39,201 --> 00:26:41,490

This is the time-- I'm at the reception hall.

420

00:26:41,581 --> 00:26:44,377

The coordinator's here. The vendors.

421

00:26:44,612 --> 00:26:47,976

Look, I'm just, I'm sorry. I can't talk right now.

422

00:27:07,074 --> 00:27:09,100

I say we take his whole foot.

423

00:27:09,333 --> 00:27:11,620

We could cut off all his limbs;

424

00:27:11,714 --> 00:27:13,546

he still wouldn't talk.

425

00:27:15,132 --> 00:27:17,264

Pain is not the answer here.

426

00:27:18,685 --> 00:27:21,505

Maybe the Beatles were right, after all.

427

00:27:22,366 --> 00:27:24,812

Maybe all you need is love.

428

00:27:28,058 --> 00:27:29,009

What're you doing?

429

00:27:29,103 --> 00:27:30,921

What's it look like I'm doing? I'm rolling it up.

430

00:27:32,372 --> 00:27:33,476

You can't do this.

431

00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,568

I'm done playing your reindeer games, Fish.

432

00:27:35,834 --> 00:27:38,901

I'm gonna transfer to a nice, quiet cell with a normal cellie,

433

00:27:39,027 --> 00:27:41,079

one that doesn't screw my entire life up.

434

00:27:41,682 --> 00:27:42,350

Look...

435

00:27:43,593 --> 00:27:46,804

I'm sorry about your congugals, but if you go now...

436

00:27:50,038 --> 00:27:51,942

Don't do this. Please.

437

00:27:51,993 --> 00:27:53,221

Listen to me, Fish.

438

00:27:53,315 --> 00:27:54,886

I got 16 months.

439

00:27:55,053 --> 00:27:56,865

I got a fiancée to think about.

440

00:27:57,048 --> 00:27:58,857

I get caught with a hole in my wall,

441

00:27:58,950 --> 00:28:01,869

I don't get to see the real world for another five years.

442

00:28:02,375 --> 00:28:03,677

Let's go, Sucre.

443

00:28:04,734 --> 00:28:06,005

I can't do that.

444

00:28:06,171 --> 00:28:08,520

There's always a solution. We can work it out.

445

00:28:08,846 --> 00:28:10,082

Sorry, Fish.

446

00:28:17,953 --> 00:28:19,283

Can I ask you something?

447

00:28:20,736 --> 00:28:24,966

Why have you denied any family or loved ones to be there for you in the end?

448

00:28:25,059 --> 00:28:27,616

Why would I let them watch me die?

449

00:28:27,885 --> 00:28:29,527

I've caused them enough pain.

450

00:28:30,364 --> 00:28:32,528

Maybe it's not about them watching you die.

451

00:28:34,924 --> 00:28:37,424

Maybe it's about me watching them live.

452

00:28:37,683 --> 00:28:39,109

That the final torture?

453

00:28:39,252 --> 00:28:42,975

No. It's about how you want to leave this world.

454

00:28:43,814 --> 00:28:46,580

What's the last image you want to take with you?

455

00:28:46,908 --> 00:28:47,904

A stranger?

456

00:29:03,567 --> 00:29:06,421

Got an issue with our little friend over there?

457

00:29:06,585 --> 00:29:09,176

I don't got to come to you. You don't give the green light.

458

00:29:09,233 --> 00:29:11,987

Everything in here runs through me. You know that.

459

00:29:12,042 --> 00:29:16,045

May Tag's in the ground because of that piece of detritus.

460

00:29:16,277 --> 00:29:17,691

So now you want him.

461

00:29:17,796 --> 00:29:21,375

Every day for the rest of his bid.

462

00:29:21,687 --> 00:29:24,758

Seems you and I have something in common, then.

463

00:29:35,093 --> 00:29:36,591

Easy now, Fish.

464

00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,351

Don't make this any harder than it needs to be.

465

00:29:39,444 --> 00:29:43,189

It's time we came to an arrangement, don't you think?

466

00:29:53,177 --> 00:29:58,098

You know, I was thinking I was gonna gut you bow to stern,

467

00:29:58,192 --> 00:29:59,685

soon as I laid eyes on you.

468

00:29:59,758 --> 00:30:04,502

But, alackaday, you look so pretty when you're scared, don't you?

469

00:30:07,195 --> 00:30:10,114

Maybe we ought to get the love out of the way 'fore we move on to hate.

470

00:30:10,203 --> 00:30:12,777

What do you say to that, Pretty? Hmm?

471

00:30:13,719 --> 00:30:14,427

Yeah...

472

00:30:16,109 --> 00:30:19,764

Maybe it's time I lit up that face once and for all.

473

00:30:24,684 --> 00:30:27,406

God, he talks too much.

474

00:30:28,386 --> 00:30:31,644

You and I need to have a conversation.

475

00:30:41,869 --> 00:30:44,305

What happened in there was my way of saying

476

00:30:44,412 --> 00:30:48,376

I know I been going about this whole thing the wrong way.

477

00:30:51,608 --> 00:30:53,246

I'm trying to make amends here.

478

00:30:54,209 --> 00:30:55,840

Bygones be bygones?

479

00:30:57,613 --> 00:30:59,524

You're a mercurial man, John.

480

00:30:59,796 --> 00:31:01,323

I prefer bold.

481

00:31:07,544 --> 00:31:09,175

Tell me what you need from me.

482

00:31:09,338 --> 00:31:10,146

A trade.

483

00:31:10,855 --> 00:31:13,921

You get me a plane, I'll get you Fibonacci.

484

00:31:14,557 --> 00:31:16,587

What do you need a plane for?

485

00:31:16,751 --> 00:31:17,980

I think you know.

486

00:31:18,390 --> 00:31:21,503

I help you, I'm in. You know that, don't you?

487

00:31:22,298 --> 00:31:23,184

I do.

488

00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,696

Just got to know the exact date and time.

489

00:31:27,790 --> 00:31:29,059

I'll tell you soon enough.

490

00:31:29,072 --> 00:31:30,263

Soon enough ain't gonna cut it.

491

00:31:30,350 --> 00:31:33,368

I need to be outside these walls before Fibonacci testifies.

492

00:31:33,450 --> 00:31:34,831

You will be.

493

00:31:35,175 --> 00:31:36,998

He testifies in one month.

494

00:31:37,197 --> 00:31:39,498

Then you'll be out in plenty of time.

495

00:31:39,859 --> 00:31:43,813

If not... you're a corpse.

496

00:31:45,952 --> 00:31:49,701

You'd better cut the crap. Tell me the exact date and time,

497

00:31:49,793 --> 00:31:51,650

so I can start making the arrangements.

498

00:31:51,790 --> 00:31:53,812

I don't know if I can trust you with that information yet.

499

00:31:53,885 --> 00:31:54,529

Why not?

500

00:31:54,655 --> 00:31:56,986

Like I said, John, you're a mercurial man.

501

00:32:06,768 --> 00:32:08,243

Lewis, take these off.

502

00:32:09,384 --> 00:32:10,985

Sink, I can't do that.

503

00:32:11,077 --> 00:32:13,607

Come on, man, I'm in a cage. Ten minutes.

504

00:32:14,494 --> 00:32:15,472

Please.

505

00:32:17,126 --> 00:32:18,055

It's my kid.

506

00:32:32,443 --> 00:32:35,169

So... here we are.

507

00:32:36,426 --> 00:32:39,417

Yeah. How you been?

508

00:32:39,618 --> 00:32:42,625

You know... in trouble.

509

00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:45,029

How's your mom?

510

00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:49,367

She's good.

511

00:32:49,531 --> 00:32:53,380

Hey, um... I've been talking to the chaplain,

512

00:32:53,411 --> 00:32:57,225

and they'd like me to decide on who I should, uh, have at the, uh...

513

00:33:00,137 --> 00:33:01,912

I guess what I'm trying to say is,

514

00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:03,970

when you get to the end,

515

00:33:04,062 --> 00:33:09,032

you start to realize what's important to you, you know?

516

00:33:09,270 --> 00:33:10,509

Who really matters to you.

517

00:33:12,965 --> 00:33:15,212

And, uh, you know...

518

00:33:15,670 --> 00:33:17,070

that leaves you and Mike.

519

00:33:18,054 --> 00:33:19,744

The only blood I got left in this...

520

00:33:20,726 --> 00:33:21,783

in this world.

521

00:33:23,273 --> 00:33:26,131

Yeah, I got to say, I'm not really following what you're saying.

522

00:33:26,837 --> 00:33:27,783

Well, uh...

523

00:33:31,199 --> 00:33:32,468

In the end,

524

00:33:32,802 --> 00:33:34,749

the only thing that matters is love.

525

00:33:36,715 --> 00:33:40,630

Blood, family... you.

526

00:33:46,672 --> 00:33:47,700

Um...

527

00:33:55,775 --> 00:33:56,790

Give me your hand.

528

00:33:58,435 --> 00:33:59,974

What are you doing?

529

00:34:00,354 --> 00:34:01,937

Give me your hand.

530

00:34:03,499 --> 00:34:04,462

Give me your hand.

531

00:34:15,172 --> 00:34:16,811

I want you to be there when...

532

00:34:18,884 --> 00:34:20,959

I want you to be there the day before I die.

533

00:34:23,930 --> 00:34:24,974

So I can see you.

534

00:34:26,238 --> 00:34:27,664

So I can hold you.

535

00:34:35,443 --> 00:34:36,282

I, uh...

536

00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:40,992

I love you.

537

00:34:41,042 --> 00:34:42,617

I've always loved you.

538

00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:44,730

Yeah...

539

00:34:52,343 --> 00:34:53,817

This whole thing, um...

540

00:34:57,838 --> 00:34:59,205

I don't know if I can take it.

541

00:35:02,270 --> 00:35:03,516

Me, either.

542

00:35:04,704 --> 00:35:06,139

I don't have a choice.

543

00:35:07,774 --> 00:35:08,612

You do.

544

00:35:31,738 --> 00:35:33,582

I am so sorry.

545

00:35:34,753 --> 00:35:38,526

I met with this woman today, and she knew things about Lincoln's case.

546

00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,436

And then she just disappeared. I think something happened to her.

547

00:35:41,517 --> 00:35:44,522

Look, I'm gonna make this real easy for you.

548

00:35:45,584 --> 00:35:48,191

Do you want to get married...

549

00:35:48,841 --> 00:35:50,341

or not?

550

00:35:53,641 --> 00:35:54,644

I don't know.

551

00:35:55,849 --> 00:35:57,120

Wonderful.

552

00:35:59,365 --> 00:36:01,078

Maybe we could postpone it.

553

00:36:01,171 --> 00:36:03,703

Okay, I can't do this right now. My head's not in it.

554

00:36:03,792 --> 00:36:04,945

It's supposed to be a celebration...

555

00:36:05,070 --> 00:36:07,694

If you're really telling me you want to postpone this thing...

556

00:36:09,379 --> 00:36:11,427

...then I want to cancel it.

557

00:36:16,395 --> 00:36:18,028

Sebastian...

558

00:36:19,143 --> 00:36:20,496

I'm sorry.

559

00:36:23,293 --> 00:36:25,300

I'll come get my stuff tomorrow.

560

00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:58,783

Open on 40!

561

00:37:03,066 --> 00:37:04,845

Scofield.

562

00:37:05,226 --> 00:37:06,555

Found you a new cellie.

563

00:37:07,011 --> 00:37:09,394

As luck would have it, I found him in the Psych Ward.

564

00:37:09,472 --> 00:37:11,352

You were the only guy with an empty tray, so...

565

00:37:11,445 --> 00:37:12,775

Psych Ward?

566

00:37:12,868 --> 00:37:14,443

You got a problem with that?

567

00:37:15,263 --> 00:37:17,296

'Cause if you do, please,

568

00:37:17,468 --> 00:37:20,188

feel free to drop it in my suggestion box here.

569

00:37:28,989 --> 00:37:30,378

Haywire, get in here!

570

00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,033

Close it up on 40!

571

00:37:42,142 --> 00:37:45,339

Oh, and Scofield, just a heads up--

572

00:37:45,873 --> 00:37:48,313

don't make eye contact with him.

573

00:38:14,709 --> 00:38:16,308

Lincoln, we have a problem.

574

00:38:17,264 --> 00:38:19,021

- I got a new cell mate.

- Who?

575

00:38:21,602 --> 00:38:22,604

That's a problem.

576

00:38:22,878 --> 00:38:24,745

We're just gonna have to bring him on board.

577

00:38:24,909 --> 00:38:26,707

You're don't bring a guy like that on board.

578

00:38:26,987 --> 00:38:29,230

Then I'll work at night, when he's sleeping.

579

00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,794

Ten feet, Scofield.

580

00:38:38,668 --> 00:38:40,919

- How far behind are we?

- Three days.

581

00:38:41,013 --> 00:38:44,152

Thought you said the margin for error was zero days.

582

00:38:44,413 --> 00:38:45,407

I did.

583

00:39:15,845 --> 00:39:17,002

Nice out here.

584

00:39:17,292 --> 00:39:18,073

I got a buddy--

585

00:39:18,188 --> 00:39:20,234

he's got a place way back up in these woods.

586

00:39:20,527 --> 00:39:22,473

Come up here hunting around this time of year.

587

00:39:23,024 --> 00:39:24,402

Man...

588

00:39:26,604 --> 00:39:27,293

Whoa.

589

00:39:28,432 --> 00:39:29,814

Get her back in. Back in.

590

00:39:33,515 --> 00:39:36,118

Come on.

591

00:39:36,187 --> 00:39:36,999

Over here. Come here.

592

00:39:38,258 --> 00:39:39,154

Take her out there.

593

00:39:39,364 --> 00:39:40,409

She's nothing.

594

00:39:40,827 --> 00:39:43,003

Nobody would believe her if she talked, anyway.

595

00:39:45,004 --> 00:39:47,137

Hundred yards or so should do it.

596

00:39:49,426 --> 00:39:50,404

Do it.

597

00:39:51,403 --> 00:39:52,213

Go!

598

00:40:08,316 --> 00:40:09,418

I'm sorry.

599

00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:11,302

You got to believe that.

600

00:40:13,013 --> 00:40:14,535

Damn it.

601

00:40:39,348 --> 00:40:40,134

Please!

602

00:40:43,648 --> 00:40:44,343

Please!

603

00:40:48,491 --> 00:40:49,276

Please.

604

00:41:01,690 --> 00:41:02,936

Pick up the casings.

605

00:41:52,992 --> 00:41:54,495

What's your problem?

606

00:41:55,308 --> 00:41:57,357

I got a neuroanatomic lesion

607

00:41:57,636 --> 00:42:00,618

affecting my reticular activating system.

608

00:42:00,701 --> 00:42:02,345

What does that mean?

609

00:42:02,622 --> 00:42:04,982

It means I don't sleep.

610

00:42:06,045 --> 00:42:07,748

At all.

At Last -- The Full Story Of How Facebook Founded

"We can talk about that after I get all the basic functionality up tomorrow night."

In the fall of 2003, Harvard seniors Cameron Winklevoss, Tyler Winklevoss, and Divya Narendra were on the lookout for a web developer who could bring to life an idea the three say Divya first had in 2002: a social network for Harvard students and alumni. The site was to be called HarvardConnections.com.

The three had been paying Victor Gao, another Harvard student, to do coding for the site, but at the beginning of the fall term Victor begged off the project. Victor suggested his own replacement: Mark Zuckerberg, a Harvard sophomore from Dobbs Ferry, New York.

Back then, Mark was known at Harvard as the sophomore who had built Facemash, a "Hot Or Not" clone for Harvard. Facemash had already made Mark a bit of a celebrity on campus, for two reasons.

The first is that Mark got in trouble for creating it. The way the site worked was that it pulled photos of Harvard students off of Harvard's Web sites. It rearranged these photos so that when people visited Facemash.com they would see pictures of two Harvard students and be asked to vote on which was more attractive. The site also maintained a list of Harvard students, ranked by attractiveness.

On Harvard's politically correct campus, this upset people, and Mark was soon hauled in front of Harvard's disciplinary board for students.  According to a November 19, 2003 Harvard Crimson article, he was charged with breaching security, violating copyrights, and violating individual privacy. Happily for Mark, the article reports that he wasn't expelled.

The second reason everyone at Harvard knew about Facemash and Mark Zuckerberg was that Facemash had been an instant hit. The same Harvard Crimson story reports that after two weeks, "the site had been visited by 450 people, who voted at least 22,000 times." That means the average visitor voted 48 times.

It was for this ability to build a wildly popular site that Victor Gao first recommended Mark to Cameron, Tyler, and Divya. Sold on Mark, the Harvard Connection trio reached out to him. Mark agreed to meet.

They first met in the early evening on November 30 in the dining hall of Harvard College's Kirkland House.  Cameron, Tyler, and Divya brought up their idea for Harvard Connection, and described their plans to A) build the site for Harvard students only, by requiring new users to register with Harvard.edu email addresses, and B) expand Harvard Connection beyond Harvard to schools around the country.  Mark reportedly showed enthusiastic interest in the project.

Later that night, Mark wrote an email to the Winklevoss brothers and Divya: "I read over all the stuff you sent and it seems like it shouldn't take too long to implement, so we can talk about that after I get all the basic functionality up tomorrow night."

The next day, on December 1, Mark sent another email to the HarvardConnections team.  Part of it read, "I put together one of the two registration pages so I have everything working on my system now. I'll keep you posted as I patch stuff up and it starts to become completely functional."

These two emails sounded like the words of someone who was eager to be a part of the team and working away on the project.  A few days later, however, Mark's emails to the HarvardConnection team started to change in tone.  Specifically, they went from someone who seemed to be hard at work building the product to someone who was so busy with schoolwork that he had no time to do any coding at all.

December 4: "Sorry I was unreachable tonight. I just got about three of your missed calls. I was working on a problem set."

December 10: "The week has been pretty busy thus far, so I haven't gotten a chance to do much work on the site or even think about it really, so I think it's probably best to postpone meeting until we have more to discuss. I'm also really busy tomorrow so I don't think I'd be able to meet then anyway."

A week later: "Sorry I have not been reachable for the past few days. I've basically been in the lab the whole time working on a cs problem set which I"m still not finished with."

Finally, on January 8:

Sorry it's taken a while for me to get back to you. I'm completely swamped with work this week. I have three programming projects and a final paper due by Monday, as well as a couple of problem sets due Friday. I'll be available to discuss the site again starting Tuesday.

I"m still a little skeptical that we have enough functionality in the site to really draw the attention and gain the critical mass necessary to get a site like this to run…Anyhow, we'll talk about it once I get everything else done.

So what happened to change Mark's tune about HarvardConnection? Was he so swamped with work that he was unable to finish the project?  Or, as the HarvardConnection founders have alleged, was he stalling the development of HarvardConnection so that he could build a competing site and launch it first?

Our investigation suggests the latter.

As a part of the lawsuit against Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg, the above emails from Mark have been public for years. What has never been revealed publicly is what Mark was telling his friends, parents, and closest confidants at the same time.

Let's start with a December 7th (IM) exchange Mark Zuckerberg had with his Harvard classmate and Facebook cofounder, Eduardo Saverin. 

"They made a mistake haha. They asked me to make it for them."

Former PayPal CEO Peter Thiel gets a lot of credit for being the first investor in Facebook, because he led the first formal Facebook round in September of 2004 with a $500,000 investment at a $5 million valuation.  But the real "first investor" claim to fame should actually belong to a Harvard classmate of Mark Zuckerberg's named Eduardo Saverin.

To picture Eduardo, what you need to know is that he was the kid at Harvard who would wear a suit to class. He liked to give people the impression that he was rich -- and maybe somehow connected to the Brazilian mafia.  At one point, in an IM exchange, Mark told a friend that Eduardo -- "head of the investment society" -- was rich because "apparently insider trading isn't illegal in Brazil."

Eduardo Saverin wasn't directly involved with Facebook for long: During the summer of 2004, when Mark moved to Palo Alto to work on Facebook full time, Eduardo took a high-paying internship at Lehman Brothers in New York.  While Mark was still at Harvard, however, Eduardo appears to have bankrolled Facebook's earliest capital expenses, thus becoming its initial investor.

In January, however, Mark told a friend that "Eduardo is paying for my servers." Eventually, Eduardo would agree to invest $15,000 in a company that would, in April 2004, be formed as Facebook LLC.  For his money, Eduardo would get 30% of the company.

Eduardo was also involved in Facebook's earliest days, as a confidant of Mark Zuckerberg.

In December, 2003, a week after Mark's first meeting with the HarvardConnection team, when he was telling the Winklevosses that he was too busy with schoolwork to work on or even think about HarvardConnection.com, Mark was telling Eduardo a different story.  On December 7, 2003, we believe Mark sent Eduardo the following IM:

Check this site out: www.harvardconnection.com and then go to harvardconnection.com/datehome.php. Someone is already trying to make a dating site. But they made a mistake haha. They asked me to make it for them. So I'm like delaying it so it won't be ready until after the facebook thing comes out.

This IM suggests that, within a week of meeting with the Winklevosses for the first time, Mark had already decided to start his own, similar project--"the facebook thing."  It also suggests that he had developed a strategy for dealing with his would-be competition: Delay developing it.

"I feel like the right thing to do is finish the facebook and wait until the last day before I'm supposed to have their thing ready and then be like look yours isn't as good"

A few weeks after the initial meeting with the HarvardConnection team, after Mark sent the IM to Eduardo Saverin talking about developing "the facebook thing" and delaying his development of HarvardConnection, Mark met with the HarvardConnection folks, Cameron, Tyler, and Divya, for a second time. 

This time, instead of meeting in the dining hall of Mark's residential hall, Kirkland House, the four met in Mark's dorm room. Divya is said to have arrived late.

In Kirkland House, the dorm rooms aren't laid out in cinder-block-cube style: Mark's room had a narrow hallway connecting it to his neighbor's. As Cameron and Tyler sat down on a couch in Mark's room, Cameron spotted something in the hallway. On top of a bookshelf there was a white board. It was the kind Web developers and product managers everywhere use to map out their ideas.

On it, Cameron read two words, "Harvard Connection." He got up to go look at it. Immediately, Mark asked Cameron to stay out of the hallway.

Eventually Divya arrived and the four of them talked about plans for Harvard Connection. One feature Mark brought up was designed to keep more popular and sought-after Harvard Connection users from being stalked and harassed by crowds of people.

In this second meeting, Mark still appeared to be actively engaged in developing Harvard Connection.  But he never showed the HarvardConnection folks any site prototypes or code.  And they didn't insist on seeing them.

During the weeks in which Mark was juggling the two projects in tandem, he also had a series of IM exchanges with a friend named Adam D'Angelo (above).

Adam and Mark went to boarding school together at Phillips Exeter Academy. There, the pair became friends and coding partners. Together they built a program called Synapse, a music player that supposedly learned the listener's taste and then adapted to it. Then, in 2002 Mark went to Harvard and Adam went to Cal Tech.  But the pair stayed in close touch, especially through AOL instant messenger. Eventually, Adam became Facebook's CTO.

Through the Harvard Connection-Facebook saga and its aftermath, Mark kept Adam apprised of his plans and thoughts.

One purported IM exchange seems particularly relevant on the question of how Mark distinguished between the two projects--the "facebook thing" and "the dating site"--as well as how he was considering handling the latter:

Zuck: So you know how I'm making that dating site

Zuck: I wonder how similar that is to the Facebook thing

Zuck: Because they're probably going to be released around the same time

Zuck: Unless I fuck the dating site people over and quit on them right before I told them I'd have it done.

D'Angelo: haha

Zuck: Like I don't think people would sign up for the facebook thing if they knew it was for dating

Zuck: and I think people are skeptical about joining dating things too.

Zuck: But the guy doing the dating thing is going to promote it pretty well.

Zuck: I wonder what the ideal solution is.

Zuck: I think the Facebook thing by itself would draw many people, unless it were released at the same time as the dating thing.

Zuck: In which case both things would cancel each other out and nothing would win. Any ideas? Like is there a good way to consolidate the two.

D'Angelo: We could make it into a whole network like a friendster. haha. Stanford has something like that internally
Zuck: Well I was thinking of doing that for the facebook. The only thing that's different about theirs is that you like request dates with people or connections with the facebook you don't do that via the system.

D'Angelo: Yeah

Zuck: I also hate the fact that I'm doing it for other people haha. Like I hate working under other people. I feel like the right thing to do is finish the facebook and wait until the last day before I'm supposed to have their thing ready and then be like "look yours isn't as good as this so if you want to join mine you can…otherwise I can help you with yours later." Or do you think that's too dick?

D'Angelo: I think you should just ditch them

Zuck: The thing is they have a programmer who could finish their thing and they have money to pour into advertising and stuff. Oh wait I have money too. My friend who wants to sponsor this is head of the investment society. Apparently insider trading isn't illegal in Brazil so he's rich lol.

D'Angelo: lol

"I'm going to fuck them."

Eduardo Saverin and Adam D'Angelo were not the only people Mark discussed his Harvard Connection - Facebook situation with.  We believe he also had many IM exchanges about it with relatives and a close female Harvard friend. 

In January 2004, Mark met with the Winklevoss brothers and Divya Narendra for what would be the last time. The meeting was on January 14, 2004, and it was held at the same place Mark met with the HarvardConnection team for the first time -- in the dining hall of Mark's residence, Kirkland House.

By this point, Mark's site, thefacebook.com, wasn't complete, but he was working hard on it. He'd arranged for Eduardo Saverin to pay for his servers. He had already told Adam that "the right thing to do" was to not complete Harvard Connection and build TheFacebook.com instead.  He had registered the domain name.

He therefore had a choice to make: Tell Cameron, Tyler and Divya that he wanted out of their project, or string them along until he was ready to launch thefacebook.com.

Mark sought advice on this decision from his confidants. One friend told him, in so many words, you know me. I don't ever think anyone should do anything bad to anybody.

Mark and this friend also had the following IM exchange about how Mark planned to resolve the competing projects:

Friend: So have you decided what you're going to do about the websites?

Zuck: Yeah, I'm going to fuck them

Zuck: Probably in the year

Zuck: *ear

And so, it appears, he did.  (In a manner of speaking).

On January 14, 2004, Mark Zuckerberg met with Cameron, Tyler, and Divya for the last time. During the meeting at Kirkland House, Mark expressed doubts about the viability of HarvardConnection.com. He said he was very busy with personal projects and school work and that he wouldn't be able to work on the site for a while. He blamed others for the site's delays. 

He did not say that he was working on his own project and that he was not planning to complete the HarvardConnection site.

After the meeting, Mark had another IM exchange with the friend above. He told her, in effect, that he had wimped out. He hadn't been able to break the news to Cameron and Tyler, in part, he said, because he was "intimidated" by them. He called them "poor bastards."

So then what happened?

Three days earlier, on January 11, 2004, Mark had registered the domain THEFACEBOOK.COM.

On February 4, he opened the site to Harvard students.

On February 10, Cameron Winklevoss sent Mark a letter accusing him of breaching their agreement and stealing their idea.

In late May, after going through two more developers, Cameron, Tyler and Divya launched HarvardConnection as ConnectU, a social network for 15 schools.

On June 10, 2004, a commencement speaker mentioned the amazing popularity of Mark's site, thefacebook.com.

In the summer of 2004, Mark moved to Palo Alto to work on Facebook full time and soon received a $500,000 investment from Peter Thiel.

In September 2004, HarvardConnection, now called ConnectU, sued Mark Zuckerberg and the now-incorporated "Facebook" for allegedly breaching their agreement and stealing their idea.

In February 2008, Facebook and ConnectU agreed to settle the lawsuit.

In June 2008, ConnectU appealed the settlement in California's ninth district, accusing Facebook of trading its stock without disclosing material information. This appeal is on-going.

The $65 million question

When we described the specifics of this story to Facebook, the company had the following comment:

"We’re not going to debate the disgruntled litigants and anonymous sources who seek to rewrite Facebook’s early history or embarrass Mark Zuckerberg with dated allegations. The unquestioned fact is that since leaving Harvard for Silicon Valley nearly six years ago, Mark has led Facebook's growth from a college website to a global service playing an important role in the lives of over 400 million people."

On the latter point, we agree.  What Mark Zuckerberg has accomplished with Facebook over the past six years has been nothing short of amazing.

So, having revisited the founding of Facebook with additional information, what do we conclude?

First, we have seen no evidence of any formal contract between Mark Zuckerberg and the Winklevosses in which Mark agreed to develop Harvard Connection.

Second, any agreement the parties may have had--as well as most of the purported IMs and emails we have reviewed from the period--appear to have been at the level of, as Judge Ware described them, "dorm-room chit-chat." (Albeit interesting and entertaining chit-chat.)

Third, only a week after beginning development of Harvard Connection, which he referred to as "the dating site," Mark had begun work on a separate project -- "the facebook thing." Mark appears to have considered the products as competing for the attention of the same users, but he also appears to have regarded them as different in some key ways.

Fourth -- and because of this foreseen competition -- Mark does appear to have intentionally strung along the Harvard Connection folks with the goal of making his project, thefacebook.com, have a more successful launch.

Bottom line, we haven't seen anything that makes us think that, whatever Mark did to the Harvard Connection folks, it was worth more than the $65 million they received in the lawsuit settlement.  In fact, this seems like a huge sum of money considering that the entire dispute took place over two months in 2004 and that, in the six years since, Mark has built Facebook into a massive global enterprise.

That said, in the course of our investigation, we also uncovered two additional anecdotes about Mark's behavior in Facebook's early days that are more troubling. These episodes -- an apparent hacking into the email accounts of Harvard Crimson editors using data obtained from Facebook logins, as well as a later hacking into ConnectU -- are described in detail here.

 

 

Neville: 20 years at the top

n part two of Gary Neville's interview with MUTV, he looks back with pride at how his Old Trafford career panned out...

When you joined United, the club you'd always supported, could you have imagined playing 600 games here?
No. When I joined the club I would genuinely have been happy with ten games for United. If you’d said to me then that I’d play 600 games, I'd have said, ‘absolutely no chance’. I don’t think many people at the club would have said it when I first joined. I’d been a centre of excellence kid since I was 11 and saw the talent of the players like Ben Thornley, David Beckham, Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs, Nicky Butt, my brother, Chris Casper, Keith Gillespie – these were incredibly talented people. I looked around me and thought, ‘I’m not sure I’m as good as some of these lads’. I knew I wasn’t. But we got swept along together. We all believed in it, we were all passionate about playing for United, we all desperately wanted to do it and we listened to the coaches.

We had great coaches in Eric Harrison, Nobby Stiles and Brian Kidd. We’re forever in their debt. They guided us and we just went off and did what they told us to do. We believed in the principles they instilled in us. Then ultimately the manager, who had come down six or seven years before, had a mission to bring young players through. He gave us the opportunity. You could never imagine all those things were going to come together at once and your would evolve. But it does, and when you’re in it you think it’s going to go on forever. You love it, it’s brilliant, you have your ups and downs, but it’s just a great time and the experience I’ve had has been unbelievable

The best of that is probably the relationship with people I’ve had here, the great friendships I have just going into work every day. A lot of people work in this country and don’t enjoy their jobs; I’m lucky that I’ve absolutely adored everything I’ve done for 20 years. I’m just fortunate and privileged to have been in that position.

Were you aware that the 'Class of 92' was a special group of players?
Not when we were 16 or 17. When we got to 18, there were a couple of indications. Bryan Robson did an article publicly saying he’d be amazed if we didn’t become top players. Then the boss gave us our debuts and put us in with the first team, travelling on European away trips to get experience with them. Eric Harrison said to us that we had a chance and you get confidence from that. The ultimate confidence comes when you start training with the first team and you understand you can compete at that level because you keep going past those hurdles. But when you first come into the youth team at 17, you’ve no idea about that. When we got to 18 and there were 1,500 people watching us on Saturday morning in the ‘A’team and the first-team were staying behind to watch, you thought, ‘there must be something right here’. We were playing brilliant football at the time. If you amassed all the international caps, appearances and medals from that youth team… people talk about Robbie Savage, but he’s someone who should have great pride. That determination and passion irritates people at times, but it comes from that youth team that he is still playing football at the age of 35 or 36. Keith Gillespie is still playing too.

Is there an end of an era feeling about it?
I don’t know if it’s the end of an era feeling, you just think that a new era is beginning. There’s a layer below us now. When Denis [Irwin] and Roy [Keane] left, that felt like it was the end of an era at the time. Then me, Giggsy, Scholesy, and Edwin stepped up to that next layer. Now, below us, there’s Nemanja Vidic, Rio Ferdinand, Darren Fletcher, Michael Carrick, John O’Shea, Wayne Rooney – they will step up. The conveyor belt doesn’t have a gap. The manager has built a squad with various layers and tiers of experience, from young players at 17 to experienced players at 37. When the older ones step off the conveyor belt, others step up and they become the experienced players.

When Roy left you thought we’d never be able to replace that character and that player, but it just happens in different ways. You could never replace him like-for-like. But in different ways you compensate. It’ll happen again when Scholes and Giggs leave. Although, I really don’t know how you will replace those two! That would be difficult. They’re special, and the manager, too. But the club will go on, that’s happened right the way through our history. Other players will take responsibility and step up to the mantle, I’m convinced of that. They have to, because the club has to be successful.

What can you recall of your debut against Torpedo Moscow in 1992?
I remember it a little bit; I was only on for three minutes and hardly touched the ball. I think I took a throw-in. It was a special moment for me to make my debut, that’s probably my most special moment because to play at Old Trafford for Man.

United was always my dream. So to do that, even though it was only three minutes, you can never take that away from me. That was probably my greatest achievement because once you get there you never want to have it taken away from you. You have got to get that feeling, that adrenaline, that buzz that nothing else can give you.

Is there a highlight from all the silverware you’ve won?
The obvious one is to say the last few minutes in Barcelona to win the Treble. That goes without saying. You can never describe that feeling. You could never put it into words because it would never do that moment justice. That would have to be the high, but there were other unbelievable highs. We didn’t win the league for three years, then won it back in 2006/07. The nights of winning trophies, going out with the lads, those nights are the greatest of your life - you can’t replace them.

Players like Ryan Giggs have talked about the disappointments driving him on rather than his successes. Is that how you look at it?
The disappointments stand out more at times. Vasco da Gama in 2000, Maine Road in 2002, Leeds last year – disaster. Those moments do stand out and you remember how bad you felt. But they’re all part of the experience. You’re not going to have a career at Man. United without going through a certain level of disappointment. It’s just the way it is. Monaco, Dortmund, Leverkusen… all these moments. You could kick yourself forever. But the reality is that only one team can win each competition. The rollercoaster is part of the journey for 20 years – it’s like being married!

Neville: Why I retired

Gary Neville sat down for an exclusive interview with MUTV to talk about his decision to retire, and to look back on some of his best moments in his career. In the first of a three-part serialisation of that interview, Gary explains how he came to make his decision...

You caught a lot of people by surprise, can you take us through the chain of events that led to your announcement?
It wasn’t just on the day; something like that doesn’t come as immediately as that. It’s been a combination of events over the last few months and I’ve known for the last few weeks having spoken to the manager. You don’t go and do something like that so quickly. I went away for a week and still came to the same conclusion: it just felt like the right thing to do and that my time was up. When your time’s up, your time’s up.

You could have played until the end of the season. Why stop mid-season?
Sometimes you just go off gut instinct, it’s the type of person I am. I felt it was right. Having spoken with the manager, I’ll continue to go in until the end of the season but not in the capacity that I have been doing in the last 19 or 20 years. I’ll maybe work with some of the young players, but that will be until the end of the season. I played my last game against West Brom and came to the conclusion pretty quickly after that that I didn’t feel right and my time was up. I didn’t want to delay it for four months. In my mind, it just wouldn’t have felt right for me. I felt that, for the manager and the club and everything they have done for me, they should know that as well. They accepted it and supported me in my decision.

So you came to the decision after the game against West Brom on New Year's Day?
It wasn’t after that game, it was during that game! [Laughs] No, it was probably a month or so before that. You

don’t just give up after one bad game – I’ve had enough of those over the last 20 years to know that it can happen! The way I felt, at the start of the season picking up those little injuries, your mentality at this club is just to come back and go again. But you get a feeling in your mind that you can’t go again. That time had come for me. There was also the fact of being of use to the team and the squad. In the last two seasons I think I played 25 or 30 games in each season. There were games, or periods of games, where I felt I was contributing to the squad. Once you’ve lost that, you get to know in your own mind that it’s not quite right. You don’t want to be a passenger.

You’d perhaps have preferred to go out at the end of the season lifting a trophy; is it a low-key way to go out?
I don’t think it’s a low-key way to go; you can write scripts, but the reality is that life doesn’t happen like that. In the perfect world, of course, I’d have walked off having lifted the championship at the end of the season. But that’s not reality. That’s not real life. Things happen in life at moments in which you wish they wouldn’t. But I can’t look back and believe that there is a bad way to go. After everything that’s happened, it is what it is.

Who did you consult when you came to your decision?
I didn’t consult anybody. I made the decision myself. I spoke to my mum and dad, my wife, but the decision was made. They weren’t going to try and talk me out of it. They know me well and they know my mindset and the way I have been for 20 years at this club. When that fire stops burning a little bit you know something’s not quite right. The injuries you get deflate you, so they get to know your mindset. It wasn’t a case of consulting them, it was more just talking to people and telling them basically. Knowing me, they accept it; they might be disappointed for me, it’s the sort of thing

you don’t want to come to an end for your son or your husband. But that’s life.

What did the boss have to say?
He was fine. Initially he said to go and have a think about it, it’s not the sort of decision you make lightly. He’s been really supportive and brilliant towards me. It just comes. Better players than me have left, greater players than me, so it’s not the end of the world. It’s a big thing for me, obviously, but the most important thing is that the team is doing well. We’re five points clear at the top of the table and hopefully we go on to win the title.

Did you talk to your team-mates?
I spoke to Paul [Scholes] and Ryan [Giggs]. They probably knew a few weeks ago. We’ve been playing football for 25 years together and I’ve known Scholesy since I was 12 and Giggsy since I was 14. So I spoke to them. They’ve lived everything with me. They’re in completely different moments, though; they are absolutely incredible football players and still outstanding performers, still two of the best players in the Premier League let alone at United. I hope I can continue to watch them for the next few years.

You’ve been going into United every day for over 20 years, training and playing. How do you suddenly cope with not doing that? It’s a total change of lifestyle…
It is, but it’s not come suddenly for me. With what’s happened in the last few years, you have an acceptance that your career is coming to an end. It could have happened at the end of last season. The club only contacted me a few weeks before the end of the season and I was quite relaxed about that. I did genuinely feel I was playing my last two or three months at the club. I was prepared for it then. The club phoned me up and David [Gill] and the manager asked me to have another year. You can’t say no. I thought, 'you’re Gary Neville and you play for Manchester United, that’s what you do'. I’ve supported the club all my life and anybody in my shoes would have said no. In the off-season, I did four weeks training to prepare for another tough season, and then I pulled my calf on the first day of pre-season and was out for four weeks. I got back to what I believe to be reasonable shape in training fitness but just without the games. Then my ankle flared up in October, the injury I’d done four years ago. My ankle had been really good and hadn’t given me much trouble. But that’s when you say, ‘enough’s enough’. You get to that point.

Neville salutes Sir Alex

In the final part of Gary Neville's interview with MUTV, the defender talks about the influence of the boss...

What would you like to say about Sir Alex and his influence?He’ll be regarded as the greatest football manager this game has ever seen. For me to have played under him for that long is incredible. He’s given me my opportunity. He always said he would do that if we were good enough. He’s always given players opportunities. I owe him everything. He put in place the vision of what Matt Busby created 50 years ago – bringing young players through, local lads who love the club, the heartbeat of the club. He could mould them into the players he wanted them to be. You can never replace what local lads bring, but we require other skills. So the foreign players complement those attributes. The local lads are the foundation. We’ve got that right through the squad. You mould these players into Manchester United people.

Over these past 20 years, can you say that there’s a best team you’ve played in?
The 1994 team - the power and strength and physique of that team was incredible; the 1999 team, obviously; and the 2006/07 team when Ronaldo and Rooney came of age and Vidic and Evra settled into the team, that was a really special six to eight months. I got injured towards the end of that season, but I thought we were brilliant and it didn’t surprise me that team went on to win the European Cup. That was probably as enjoyable as it could be. But for my injury I’d probably have gone on to play in that team, but those three stand out. For achievement, you’d have to say the 1999 team.

You mentioned the injury in 2007, against Bolton. You were out for a long time, was that the beginning of the end?
You’d have to say it was. My touch wasn’t great and Gary Speed smashed

me, which I’d have done to him in the same position! I didn’t come back for 12 months. The ankle was probably five or six months, then I got knock-on injuries. To miss a year at that age, football moves on so quickly. That was a period where Ronado, Rooney, then players like Rafael eventually, came in, and the team moves on. You come back in and you’re getting used to it again. In the next two seasons I think I played 25-30 games in each, but you're not used as much. That happened to the other older players, but playing regularly had always been my way. Playing regularly in the back four brings confidence and fitness. But because of the emergence of other players and as I was picking up silly injuries that put me out for three or four weeks, in some ways it probably was the beginning of the end – even though I enjoyed last season and the season before that.

You’ve played with some incredible players – is it possible to say there is a ‘best player’ you played with?
It’s difficult to do that. There are two still playing now: Giggsy and Scholesy. How can you separate those two? Then you talk about the most inspirational players, like Roy Keane and Bryan Robson. Then Cristiano Ronaldo for those two seasons – that level of performance was just incredible. Eric Cantona, in the season we won the double and came back from that ban, he scored in six or seven in the run-in. Then there’s Peter Schmeichel. It’s so difficult to pick one and I’ve missed players out there: Pally, Jaap Stam, Becks… I’m just privileged to have played with so many great players.

It’s been said there are more naturally gifted footballers than yourself, but that you used every bit of your talent and also the sheer force of your determination to create a very successful career. Is that a fair way of putting it?
You’re being polite there, aren’t you? [Laughs] It’s

fair to say I relied on qualities that weren’t naturally technical or skilful to get to where I got to. I’d like to think there’s an element of intelligence, that I knew where to be on the football pitch, and physically I could run up and down all day. Mentally, I'd do whatever it took to win a game for Manchester United. I had a determination to win, to make sure we won, and a will to succeed. That was my greatest asset, my fitness and strength of character. It takes all types of characters. Some players can drop their performance by 3% and still play. With me, it was 100% or nothing. There was no inbetween. The percent below 100% was pretty average to be honest with you. So everything had to be right for me: fitness, mentality, no injuries, match sharpness. I’ve always had to prepare to my absolute maximum. When you start getting injuries and you then don’t get the run of games because other players come in, you don’t get that fluidity. I relied upon that. You see someone like Giggs now, he could probably play until he’s 45. But he’s a different player to what he was when he was 17. You could argue he’s better, but he’s different. Scholesy too. Scholesy was a centre-forward or marauding midfielder for ten years. Now he controls the whole pace of the game from deep in midfield. They’ve adapted and have incredible skill and ability. I don’t have those natural skills to rely on. My game was based on fitness, determination, being aggressive and physical. When some of those attributes leave you, it has a big effect.

You’ve lived your life under the microscope; presumably that’s not something you’ll miss?
When I played I was in the spotlight, but nobody really knows what I do at home. Nobody knows where I go to eat – apart from the people in the restaurant, maybe – or who I socialise with. My life is quite private. The glare of publicity on the field, that’s the adrenalin, the buzz of 76,000 fans watching you every week. That’s what you live for

playing for United. I’ll miss that.

What does the future hold for you? 
In the immediate future I’ll go in to United until the end of the season and do some coaching; I’ve got my coaching badges to complete. My mindset isn’t to go into coaching or management full-time yet. For 20 years I’ve been going into a football club and I definitely want to try and continue my relationship with this club, even if it’s just as a fan. I’ll probably not do things that are full-time. I want 12 months to gather myself. I don’t want to rush into a new relationship too quickly! [Laughs] I want to ease off and relax. I’m not that relaxed a person. I need to chill out a little bit. I do want to continue my relationship with the club. United have given me everything that I’ve got in my life.

How do you want United fans to remember you on the field?
[Celebrating against Liverpool] is perhaps the thing that comes to people's minds straight away. But to be part of teams that are successful is as much as I’ve ever wanted. How much I contributed is down to people’s opinion. But to be part of it and to have won things is what you come into it for as a kid. You come into football as a kid, one, because something grabs you, for me it was United; secondly, you love playing football; then when you get to a level where you want to play for the first-team, you want to win trophies. That’s what matters, being part of teams that mean something or that people are going to remember. That is how I’d like to be remembered, that I was part of successful football teams and contributed to them.

That celebration against Liverpool seemed to resonate with fans though…
People say that was pre-meditated, but it’s not, it's instinctive. The best match I ever played in - because it was the last what I'd call old-fashioned football match - was the semi-final at Arsenal in 1999. It was a night-game, a semi-final replay and everything happened. The fans were on the pitch holding players up after the game. To me, that was probably the greatest match of my life. It was probably the last real football match I played in. Now because of security and health and safety, and all the restrictions, those days are becoming more difficult to create. For me, United score a goal and you celebrate. If you’re a fan, you celebrate; if you’re a player, you celebrate. If we didn’t celebrate a goal the manager would go mad. Don’t get me wrong, he didn’t tell me to go over and celebrate in front of opposition fans, but it’s instinctive that if United score I will celebrate.

Massive games ahead

United may have beaten Wigan Athletic 4-0 on Saturday afternoon, but Sir Alex’s men won't spend too long reveling in the victory.

Instead, Darren Fletcher says attentions will turn immediately to games against Chelsea and Liverpool in a week the Scot admits could prove pivotal in the title race.

“It’s a massive week,” he told MUTV. “We’ve already been away to Marseille and Wigan – we have four away games in a row – and now we’re down to two.

“We know it’s going to be difficult because Chelsea and Liverpool are two big rivals of Manchester United. But we’ll prepare mentally and physically for those games.”

On Saturday, the Reds weathered an early Wigan storm to lead at half-time before three goals in the final 16 minutes secured the three points. The scoreline, though, didn’t reflect the game’s true nature.

“It was a difficult game and we knew it would be,” Fletcher said. “Wigan play open, expansive football. They have a go at you and have a lot of pace in attacking areas. Edwin van der Sar had to make three fantastic saves in

the first half to keep us in the game.

“We knew the longer the game went on our quality would shine through. We were endeavouring to get Chicharito in behind the defence so he could use his pace and that’s what happened. Wigan always attack, from the first minute to the last minute, and maybe that’s their downfall sometimes. But that’s the way their manager believes they should play and it means when you play against them you have to be wary at the back. But you also know that if you defend well then you can get chances on the counter-attack.”

The win sent the Reds four points clear of Arsenal, who don’t have a Premier League fixture this weekend due to their involvement in the Carling Cup final. It’s a position Fletcher’s delighted with, and he says the league title is now United’s to lose.

“There are 11 games left in the league and it’s in our hands. That’s all you can ask for at this stage of the season. You want to be up at the top of the league. When you’re behind you have to hope for other people to do you favours.”

Smalling holds Ferdinand fort

Chris Smalling will again deputise for Rio Ferdinand on Tuesday as United travel to Stamford Bridge to face Chelsea. But where once the loss of the most experienced Reds defender at a ground where United are without a league win in nine visits might have been seen as disastrous, the landscape has changed somewhat.

That is a result of the excellent recent form and rapidly maturing performances Smalling has delivered. Whether in his first Manchester derby or a Champions League last 16 away tie, Smalling has risen to the challenges set in front of him.

That’s not to say that, against Chelsea’s Didier Drogba and Fernando Torres, this isn't arguably his toughest test yet. Nevertheless, Sir Alex Ferguson is delighted with the 21-year-old's timely progress.

“We are very pleased with his performances,” the boss tells Inside United magazine, on sale from 2 March. “It’s an outstanding contribution he has made. But, do you know, I expected him to do well. I had no doubts about him.

“He’s done really well for us and he is improving all the time. He is developing all aspects of his game because he wants to learn and improve. He likes defending, he enjoys it. So he’s a real bonus.

“We started him against City with Rio being out and it’s not easy coming in for your first derby at 21 years of age, having only been with us nine months. But I thought he would do well.”

The experience Smalling is gaining now will be invaluable to his future. And there is little doubting that there will be many more big matches to come in years to come. On Tuesday Smalling will be paired with Nemanja Vidic at the heart of United’sefence, but his future sidekick will be Jonny Evans, another young defender in whom Sir Alex holds great faith.

Together they will become the new Ferdinand-Vidic axis. “That’s the way I look upon it,” says the boss. “They’re young, but Evans for example has already played a lot of games for us. He played almost three quarters of the matches last season. He is well grounded in terms of what’s needed here. His time will come.”

The defensive partnership is a bedrock of teams built by Sir Alex. Although the formula isn’t always easy to find, the United boss is now adept at combining classy ball-playing defender with uncompromising, no-nonsense centre-half – the classic silk-and-steel combination.

“One of the first things I said to Martin Edwards when I first came to United was, ‘you don’t have very good partnerships at the centre of defence’, and the goalkeeping situation was never a regular thing either. When we got Schmeichel, Bruce and Pallister it was an incredible turnaround in consistency. The knowledge they gathered together, particularly with Bruce and Pallister, gave them that understanding. And they seldom missed games. That’s something you build over time.

That just shows that partnerships are vitally important. We’ve seen that with Nemanja and Rio, and hopefully Jonny and Chris can develop that too.”

Boss lauds Edwin

United may have fired four goals past Wigan on Saturday, but afterwards Sir Alex was keen to praise the contribution of Edwin van der Sar who kept the Reds in the game early on.

The Dutchman had to be alert to goalbound efforts from Victor Moses and James McCarthy in the opening stages of the game, before making a fingertip save from Maynor Figueroa soon after the restart.

Sir Alex was pleased with his side's second half performance, but was keen to point out that the Reds' owed a lot to their goalkeeper.

"His composure is just outstanding as is his organisation of the defenders," the boss told MUTV afterwards. "Wigan were terrific in the first 20 minutes and Van der Sar had to make some great saves, while Vida and Smalling had to keep sticking their heads in to clear things. It was an uncomfortable time for us.

"We played really well in the second half and had some fantastic opportunities. We opened them up time and time again and could have scored more. But I'm happy with 4-0."

Two of United's four goals came from Chicharito who has netted in all four of United's league victories away from home this season.

"The boy is doing fantastic," added Sir Alex. "They were two good finishes. If you watch the first one again he bends his run and spins across the defender to the front post to knock it in. He made a great run for the second and Wayne played him in nicely."

Nani up for crunch week

United wing wizard Nani has labelled the next week “the most important period of the season”.

Victory over Wigan at the DW Stadium on Saturday leaves the Reds four points clear of Arsenal at the top of the Barclays Premier League. But Sir Alex’s men must now navigate tricky away trips to Chelsea (Tuesday 1 March) and Liverpool (6 March) before welcoming Arsenal to Old Trafford (Saturday 12 March) for an FA Cup quarter-final.

“We have some tough games coming up,” Nani told ManUtd.com.

“It’s the most important period of the season and I think that if we can beat Chelsea and Liverpool then we’ll have a fantastic opportunity to win the league.

“But that’s easy to say: it’s much harder to do it. Chelsea and Liverpool are fantastic teams and obviously they’re desperate to win as well. We know it won’t be easy.

“Of course, we may not be able to win every game, and if we end up getting a draw against somebody then it’s not the end of the world.

"The important thing is not to lose. But we always go into games with the mentality of winning.”

The Reds have been criticised in some quarters this season for being efficient rather than entertaining, particularly on the road. Nani acknowledges United have struggled to fire away from Old Trafford but dismisses any suggestion that he or his team-mates currently lack confidence.

“We’re top of the league so of course we feel good about ourselves. And we must have been doing something right to have reached this point.

"Now it’s important we keep believing in ourselves and concentrate on playing football the way we want to play football.

“We can’t think about other teams and whether or not they’re winning or losing – we just need to win our own games.”